123 Comment(s)

1. You go girl!!!

   Mrs. D | May 30, 2009 | Reply

2. Actually, you have brought your children into the discussion by posting about them on your public site. Otherwise, I would know nothing about them.

   There is no way a mother can have two special needs children (bipolar and speech problems, six additional children, and properly home school all of them. Sorry, but no one is capable of doing that all well – there is not enough time in the day. Honestly, you should be ashamed of how you are raising your children.

   You comment that you have enough love for all your children. Well, that is exactly my point. Your children NEED you. No on else will help them but you. If you loved them, you would want them to have the attention and time it takes to make them the best they can be. Good schools limit the number of children in a classroom. Why? Because teachers need time to teach and care for each child. Good mothers are the same way. And special needs children need even more time.

   Why is your child who can’t talk stopping therapy until after the new baby is born? This is a critical time for him. Everyday without therapy hurts him. He is having to stop therapy because YOU have chosen to add more children. This is not healthy for him. For pete’s sake, he doesn’t talk! You are his mother! Help him!

   And your children do not eat properly. You do not make enough money to feed them all well. And to compare what your childern eat to the rest of the world… I’m sorry but the US has different standards than the rest of the world for what we consider good nutrition. If those are the standards with which you are feeding your children, no wonder your menu is so poor.

   Your family is not vegetarians, you simply cut out most meat because of the money. True vegetarians have very special diets so their children get all the proper nutrients. Vegetarians don’t buy 4 packages of hot dogs per week for their kids!! They would rather be caught dead first! Who do you think you are fooling? Just cutting out meat because of the money doesn’t make you a vegetarian!

   You want the Gosselins investigated? I suggest you turn the mirror around and look at yourself and how you are raising your children.

   I see selfishness in your mothering. YOU want eight children, no matter how it effects the others, even ones with special needs. YOU want to homeschool, no matter if all 8 kids really get an education that will benefit them and make them ready for college. YOU want to feed them on hardly anything every week because you don’t have enough money. Where are the interests of your children? Where is the time for speech therapy (not stopping for the birth of another child)? Where is the medical help for your bipolar child? Do you know how serious bipolar is? Your parenting is selfish and downright outrageous. Where does your selfishness stop and the needs of your children start?

   "Susan" | May 30, 2009 | Reply

3. Oh my, Susan totally needs to get a grip. MileHimama, as you know, I am a regular reader of your blog. Do I come here because I agree with everything you write, nope, you know already which I would disagree with. But I come here because I can always use help lowering my budget, and let’s face it. I also have a couple of special needs children, one being autistic and have CP and the other with speech issues and learning difficulties related to the speech issues. Now that my grammar leave a little to be desired, keep up the good work. PS, I have learned long ago to stay away from board that are built on putting someone else down. Or enlightening others about the misdeeds of another family. I have enough of my own sins to worry about. So there, now there are 2 things we can disagree on:) But I still love your blog and twitters:). We can agree to disagree on the rest right:)

   Susan,Milihimama along with scores of others, homeschool their children each and everyday. How many children do you have and are they perfect like you think Milehimama’s children should be. Like scores of others, MileHiMama not believe in murder. Taking birth control is MURDER. It does not prevent, it kills the baby once it is conceived. I would have as many children as the Lord placed in my home, and I have… The Lord gave me 4 beautiful children. SO which child should Milihi get rid of to please you?

   Ginger | May 30, 2009 | Reply

4. “Susan”
   This is a little embarrassing don’t you think?

   Point for point Milehi has outclassed you. Now you are starting to look somewhat deranged in your desperation to get cheap potshots in.

   Really, whatever were you thinking when you made that silly comment about washing childrens mouths out with soap?

   Your attempts to suggest some scenario of child deprivation and neglect are so risible it would be comical, if it weren’t so malicious.

   Remember, most of us reading here are a little more familiar with milehimama and her blog than you are. So to us, your comments look weird and desperate, and they make no sense at all. None.

   What are we meant to think ” Yeah, ‘Susan’ has a point. How ’selfish’ to have another child! How much more ‘generous and selfless’ to get your tubes tied and call it a day.
   And what impertinence to consider herself well fed by comparing herself to the rest of the world. They’re different! We’re Americans! We have different standards than the rest of the world! ( Ah, um, like being home to the most obese people in the world. We’re not greedy and overfed on spooky food, we just have different standards!)

   Oh and, I don’t think Milehi was claiming to be vegetarian either. Being carnivores does not mean that we HAVE to eat meat with every meal. People around the world, who eat with the seasons, and don’t get their meat in Walmart or wherever, understand this. That doesn’t make them obligated to observe the ‘rules’ of vegetarianism either. But of course, you ‘Susan’ have ‘American standards’ so you don’t get this.

   Poor ‘Susan’.
   You’re groping around for mud to throw.
   But it’s all bonkers, and it’s making you look bad, and even a little bit mad.
   But I suppose you already know that, which is why you are hiding your identity, right?

   Clare | May 30, 2009 | Reply

5. Oh, how pathetic. “Susan” obviously has several axes to grind and found what she perceives to be an acceptable outlet. Maybe she thinks a woman who has (almost) 8 children and homeschools them isn’t smart enough to grapple with real issues, or defend herself intelligently? Maybe she simply has no clue. Milehi is one of the smartest, logical, most intelligent people I’ve ever known and I tell ya’, I would never want to be on the “other” side of a debate with her; she runs circles around people like “Susan” – hell, she runs circles around me and I usually completely agree with her and always respect her – and she doesn’t even have to try!

   I give you a lot of credit, Milehi, for even bothering to respond. I’d delete the garbage and leave “Susan” to her own devices. You’ve given her far more credit/attention than she deserves.

   tia | May 30, 2009 | Reply

6. Susan,

   You don’t know Milehimama, but I do. Actually, I’m at her house right now. So let me calm your worries a little bit.

   There is no way a mother can have two special needs children (bipolar and speech problems, six additional children, and properly home school all of them. Sorry, but no one is capable of doing that all well – there is not enough time in the day.

   Oh? Are you a social worker? A licensed family therapist? How do you know she cannot provide for her eight children’s needs (special or not)? I’m looking at the kids right now, and they are playing happily in the living room. The older ones are on the front porch with their friend. The younger ones are playing with the developmentally appropriate, Montessori-influenced toys which are stored at child level in the play room. My own two (one of whom also has special needs, with a speech delay and a still-undetermined learning disability) are playing with them.

   I’ve been over here during school time, too. They do reading, spelling, math, science, history, religion, and art. They are all working at least at grade level. The bipolar child reads a little below grade level, but then again, Milehimama started homeschooling him after the public school system had not been able to teach him to read at all by 2nd grade.

   You comment that you have enough love for all your children…. If you loved them, you would want them to have the attention and time it takes to make them the best they can be. Good schools limit the number of children in a classroom.

   Are you serious? I think the correct response here is “ROFLMAO”! Public school teachers have 25-30 kids in a classroom, compared to Milehimama’s seven (going on eight)! How is it remotely possible they would get MORE attention in a public school classroom, with a harried teacher trying to attend to 29 other children, train them to take standardized tests (a completely useless skill), and fulfill the school and district’s bureaucratic requirements? Milehimama has one speech-delayed child, but a larger percentage than that of the local public school students are Spanish-speaking only, taking even more of the teachers’ attention.

   Why is your child who can’t talk stopping therapy until after the new baby is born? This is a critical time for him. Everyday without therapy hurts him. He is having to stop therapy because YOU have chosen to add more children.

   Because Milehimama could deliver any day now (seriously, the baby could be born by the time you read this), so scheduling in-home visits is impossible. Mister X gets speech therapy every day, all day long, from Milehimama, who works with him. Having a child in speech therapy myself, I know that most of what happens is really aimed at training the parents to continue the recommendations of the therapist at home. Seriously, do you think a child with a speech delay could learn to talk with just one hour of therapy per week? No, parents have to continue the work at home every day, throughout the day, which Milehimama does. Also, since he has six siblings to talk to, he has additional opportunities to practice talking. The kids all dote on their baby brother.

   And your children do not eat properly.

   Oh? Are you a nutritionist? A board-certified physician? Have you met the kids? They have plenty to eat; the diet is balanced with plenty of protein, fiber, calcium, and fresh fruits and vegetables. They get omega-3 supplements. What is your specific complaint about their diet? What do you think they are not getting enough of? MSG? Yellow #5? Corn syrup? They are healthy, active, smart, and not skinny/emaciated. They’re also not overweight or obese. How many kids in America can say that?

   You do not make enough money to feed them all well.

   Are you Milehimama’s financial planner? Do you have any idea how much their family makes? She said she could afford to spend more on food if she chose to. Instead, she spends it on other things for the kids. Until you see her tax return, you would do better to keep your mouth shut about her income.

   And to compare what your childern eat to the rest of the world… I’m sorry but the US has different standards than the rest of the world for what we consider good nutrition.

   Try telling that to the WHO or UNICEF and they’ll laugh you out of the building. All human beings (of a given age group) have the same nutritional requirements. That’s basic medical science.

   Your family is not vegetarians, you simply cut out most meat because of the money. True vegetarians have very special diets so their children get all the proper nutrients.

   She has never said her family are vegetarians. She said some of the meals she serves are vegetarian. The majority of the meals have meat. Did you know that the average American eats several times as much protein as their bodies need? Milehimama’s kids only eat twice as much protein as they need, instead of three or four times as much.

   I see selfishness in your mothering. YOU want eight children, no matter how it effects the others, even ones with special needs.

   I have met few other people who have given up more to be present for their children than Milehimama. She has the most child-centered household I have ever seen (in a good way — treating the kids like important members of the family — not in a bad way, by coddling and spoiling them). Actually, she is my hero and most influential role model.

   Would you rather she let the children think that kids are burdens? That she just couldn’t stand to have another kid? I’ve met lots of moms who make comments like “I’m so glad I’m done having kids! I never want to do that again!” They say this in front of their kids. I’ve also met countless people who were raised in one- or two-child families who are unbelievably shallow and selfish. One woman told me, in a horrified tone, that she couldn’t imagine growing up in a family where she had to wear hand-me-downs instead of all-new, brand name clothing. Are those the values you think children should be raised with? Or should they be raised to think sharing, compassion, and helping each other is the normal way to behave?

   YOU want to homeschool, no matter if all 8 kids really get an education that will benefit them and make them ready for college.

   Do you have a problem with homeschooling in general? Because that’s a whole different conversation. It’s not the choice we’ve made for our family, but I support other families who choose that route.

   Where is the medical help for your bipolar child? Do you know how serious bipolar is?

   Oh believe me, she knows. Everyone who has met the child in question knows how serious it is. His illness is currently under control without drugs. Bipolar disorder is all about cycles, and he is in an extended cycle of relative stability. In the past, when he needed medication, she gave it to him without hesitation. If his condition deteriorates, I have no doubt she will get whatever medical treatment is necessary again.

   If you have any specific questions about what it’s really like over here, let me know and I’ll be happy to answer them.

   ginkgo100 | May 30, 2009 | Reply

7. Big round of applause and standing ovation for ginkgo’s rousing defense of milehimama!
   Wonderful points all. But perhaps the best one was that our response to susan troll is really best summed up in this:

   ROFLMAO!

   Clare | May 30, 2009 | Reply

8. One more thing, on a slightly more serious note.

   Milehi, I feel bad that you are having to deal with this now, as you are anticipating the arrival of your new baby.
   It isn’t fair and i hate that it might be unsettling for you right now.
   You are most sincerely in my prayers tonight.

   Clare | May 30, 2009 | Reply

9. Thank you Clare. I really am at her house right now, babysitting. MHM, I made you a Lolcat just for the occasion:

   

   http://mine.icanhascheezburger.com/view.aspx?ciid=4310953

   ginkgo100 | May 30, 2009 | Reply

10. I respect Milehi. She is a good mom, loves her children and should have as many children as her and her husband darn well please.
    She takes better care of 7 than some do of one or two.

    Debbie | May 30, 2009 | Reply

11. Yeah, Milehi. I second what Clare said. Don’t let her get to you.
    May God bless you with rest and peace.

    Debbie | May 30, 2009 | Reply

12. If you are babysitting, does that mean she is in having her baby??

    Ginger | May 30, 2009 | Reply

13. Mile Hi Mama,

    I just wanted to drop a quick note of support for you. All of us that enjoy your blog probably don’t say it enough. I’m sorry about the nasty commenters. I think your kids eat wonderfully with lots of fruits, veggies, beans, and whole grains. I’ve homeschooled both gifted and special needs children after they had been in public schools and homeschooling was much better. The special ed ratio was 12 to 1 or 1/2 hr of tutoring per day at best. Take care and I’m praying for you and the baby.

    Becky | May 30, 2009 | Reply

14. Ginger,

    Haha! No, the baby’s not coming quite yet. She and her Husband Dear went to a movie, probably their last chance for a while before the baby comes.

    ginkgo100 | May 30, 2009 | Reply

15. MileHi, I love you blog and I think you are doing a wonderful job with your family. There are just jealous people out there who want nothing more than to take cheap shots at others. I have a feeling that Susan’s own children, if she even has any, are not as perfect as she thinks they are, and I have to think she’s not the perfect mother either. Keep up the good work!Prayers for you and your family and “Susan” I’m praying for you too!

    Jennifer | May 30, 2009 | Reply

16. It always cracks me up when people say that homeschooling mothers do it because they are selfish.

    Kim, a wise mother of many, wrote a post about this that really resonated with me. She’s much more eloquent than I am.

    http://starryskyranch.typepad.com/starry_sky_ranch/2008/10/the-big-questions.html

    Thank you for all of your beautiful and supportive comments. They mean a lot to me.

    Milehimama | May 30, 2009 | Reply

17. “Susan”, it appears that we have very different goals for our families. Indeed, I do not even know if you have any children at all.

    You seem to be a very passionate person, even to the effect of rushing to read a post without noticing details (i.e., I never said we were vegetarians, and if you look, you’ll see pork chops and ground beef on last week’s menu alone!)

    You seem to have a lot of anger, directed at a stranger. I’m sorry you do not have peace. I urge you to contemplate – and pray – about your life decisions and the choices you have made that seem to cause such internal turbulence. If you wish to discuss things privately, please let me know. I have no way to contact you except in the comments of my blog, but obviously you are a hurting person and I hope you find healing.

    And I’m happy to address or explain any of our nutritional philosophies or menus, should you have any specific questions.

    Milehimama | May 30, 2009 | Reply

18. Anyone who has seven children, two with special needs, and continues to have more children, on purpose, is a selfish mother.

    If you don’t want to use birth control, than stop having sex for a while with your husband. The needs of your children, which you created, come first.

    There is no way a mother has the time to properly care for all those children, especially the ones with special needs. This isn’t brain science, this is common sense. I’m sure her doctor is horrified every time she is pregnant.

    This is about loving the children. Milehimama is only focused on popping out the next child, not on the ones already here. That is selfish and obscene.

    Milehimama states that she is trying to feed her family on a budget without spending a fortune. One hundred thirty bucks a week on food for a family of nine is poverty level eating. Period. What fortune is she worried about spending? $130 a week for nine is obscene. And she is pregnant with another child!

    For example, four packages of hot dogs a week is not good for kids. Period. The nitrates, the preservatives, the sat. fat,…. it is horrible. Eating a lot of hot dogs has even been linked to colon cancer. Look it up, this is true. Four packages? That must have feed them for four meals in a week, just gross. Shopping for the cheapest food is not healthy. I hope the next child likes hot dogs because they will be eating a ton of them! Your shopping list is sadly lacking. Seven kids is a small army, literally. Homeschooling them means they eat at home for lunch too. There is simply not enough food there. When Milehimama said they couldn’t eat better even if they spent more money… that is a stupid comment. How much money you spend on food does equal good nutrients (and I’m not talking organic).
    This isn’t a game, this is your children’s health, how their brains develop, etc., etc… You must change their diets!

    Milehimama says she uses meat as a condiment and only for dinners. Meat is very important. It is a complete protein. If children do eat vegetarian, that requires a special diet so they get all the nutrients they need. I know many vegetarians that don’t eat meat, but give their children chicken or turkey. Meat is that important for growing bodies.

    I am not against homeschooling. Some people with extensive educational backgrounds or with the means to hire their own teachers can do it well. But, the majority fail their children miserably at it, especially those that do it for religious reasons because they often lack the background. Milehimama is teaching for so many different grade levels that it is impossible for each child to learn all they need to know.

    You say that all are at grade level. But, she does no standardized testing? Frankly, I don’t believe they are. What is Milehimama’s educational background? Honestly, if she was highly educated she would stop having kids and focus on the ones here. She would understand the level of attention and time her special needs children must have. Obviously, she does not.

    By the way, all public schools don’t have 25+ kids per classroom, especially in grade school. The best limit their students for a reason.

    Standardized tests are useless? So, you don’t think that the children will go to college? Because they will need those “useless” skills to go. SAT, ACT…. are those useless too? Standardized tests are not perfect, but they are the only way to college.

    And yes, the US has DIFFERENT standards for feeding children than other countries. What is considered OK in Africa or Asia would not pass muster here.

    You want to teach your children sharing and compassion? Then take the time and care that seven (eight) children need plus two with special needs. Sharing and compassion aren’t about hand-me-down clothes, it is about taking the time to help your children.

    Milehimama doesn’t take seriously enough the job of being a mother to special needs children. You are their only advocate to the world. Everything they become, or don’t become, is because of their parents’ help and persistence. I know parents who have spent years focused on their (one!) special needs child, dedicating their life to them, helping them excel beyond what anyone thought possible. That is love. You are all they have, don’t fail them.

    By the way, I am happy the Gosselin children are not eating four packages of hot dogs per week. I’m glad that their parents value education, so therefore, they are in a good school. I’m glad Kate wants them to go to college and each will have their college paid for because of the show. Sounds like dedicated parents to me!

    "Susan" | May 30, 2009 | Reply

19. I’m glad Milehi is raising her children in the real world, and not worrying about what some TV family is up to.
    Geesh. It’s a TV show.

    Debbie | May 30, 2009 | Reply

20. Milehi, I hope all the best for you and your family, and am saying “welcome!” to your newest child in advance. I won’t be around a lot, as you know, I’ve started a new job.
    My husband is one of 9 children and grew up to be a great guy.
    Bless your big heart that has so much love to give to your family.

    Debbie | May 30, 2009 | Reply

21. Susan, my relationship with my husband is private. Please mind your manners. This is your last warning.

    Again, I urge you to take a deep breath and take a step back. A friendly warning – you are making a fool of yourself. Again – get a grip, and get some perspective.

    I have invited you several times to share what you think an adequate diet is, but you have so far refused. I am sorry that you think people who live in Africa and Asia are so different from Americans that they even have different nutritional needs/ are biologically distinct and not quite up to par with Americans.

    I do not share that view – I think all people are equal, with the same basic needs, wants, and hopes. And that includes nutritional requirements.

    BTW – why do you think only ignorant, uneducated people have lots of children?

    Milehimama | May 30, 2009 | Reply

22. I got it!! Susan is JEALOUS! Lisa, give no more thought of space to this Susan. It is obvious she has not even taken a moment to read your blog. She just grabs a word and spout’s off.

    Ginger | May 30, 2009 | Reply

23. Thank you Ginger.

    Milehimama | May 30, 2009 | Reply

24. First, your site discusses abortion. Obviously, you are talking about other people’s “relationships” with their partners…. but no one can say anything about your “relationship” with your husband? You certainly have a double standard for a lot of things. And, no, I don’t believe in abortion. I guess I find it funny that you can talk about other people’s reproduction, but don’t want to address your own. Interesting…

    Secondly, what we would consider a healthy, good diet for a child is very different than what other countries would consider a healthy, good diet. Do not take my words out of context. Of course, all people are created equal!

    For example, what would be considered good housing in Africa or Asia would not meet US standards. They simply don’t have our resources. The same with their food.

    You had mentioned that you are feeding your children better than most of the world eats. Big deal. Most people in the world don’t have the resources to eat like they should. That is simply the truth. This is why the US government and so many US charities give food to other countries. They need our help just to eat.

    I simply can’t understand why you want to feed your children the cheapest way possible. It is not good for their health.

    Furthermore, you want to make comments about other families, but can’t handle ones made about your own or your mothering.

    And it is utterly amusing that you want to investigate the Gosselins when you treat your children the way you do.

    I wondered what type of mom posted on GWOP, what type of family she had, so I came to your site to find out…. now I know.

    I wanted to know who are these moms, talking so horribly, spreading gossip and lies, about a real family with eight kids?

    You participate in a site where people refer to another mother as “Hate” and you think that is OK?

    I have never blogged before, but I have been truly offended by the words of other mothers on GWOP. The meaness, the venom, much of it based on complete lies…. it is nothing more than a mob mentality. They even accuse Kate of abusing her children. It is horrible.

    So I thought I would give my blunt, honest opinion to someone who posts on GWOP. If you can dish it out, you can take.

    Stop having kids. Your special needs children DESERVE all the time, resources, and attention you can give them. Change their diets. If you don’t have the money, I understand. But, find the resources, no matter what you have to do (legally of course). Your kids need to eat better, seriously.

    I hope you have an easy birth and a healthy child. Hopefully, you last!! Pour all your love and attention into those eight kids. They deserve all of you!

    "Susan" | May 30, 2009 | Reply

25. I’m not sure why you continually say I do not let you comment here, when your comments are posted. I do not discuss the private marital relationships of anyone, but I do discuss the right each person has to live. Abortion is not about reproduction.

    I can see that you are happy to (anonymously) criticize someone’s food, but have no heart or compassion to share what a proper diet (in your eyes) would be nor engage in meaningful dialogue.

    It also stumps me as to why you complain that I have too many children (with eight) but say you came here in defense of another woman with 8 children, who also have had special needs. But them again, I suppose I can’t expect irrational, angry fools to be consistent.

    “Susan”, I asked you quite politely not to comment on my private marital activities. Sorry you couldn’t manage that and felt the need to keep bringing it up.

    Goodbye, “Susan”. I hope you find a positive way to let go of your anger and ignominy. It’s simply not healthy to carry so much vitriol towards strangers raging inside.

    May God bless you and keep you, and may you find peace in Him.

    Milehimama | May 31, 2009 | Reply

26. Susan,

    Stop with the hot dogs, seriously. We get your point. MHM feeds her children healthy 24/7. Everything she buys has no MSG, or artifical flavors, or food dyes because guess what THEY’RE not healthy for children.

    MHM also always focuses on what is good for her children. Like gingko100 said her house is set up for the children 110%. She is the best mother I personally know and just because she doesn’t spend $400 on organic food doesn’t mean that she isn’t getting what is best for the children.

    Her children all eat very healthy. Also they are always running around and actually having a childhood. I’m sorry that you can’t see past what you think but stop crossing the line….It’s ridiculous.

    Just because she shops on a budget doesn’t mean that all of her food is “crap” or poor. Sometimes people have budgets because that way they don’t spend all their money on materialistic things for themselves.

    BTW, the Gosselins have their own problems and they are exposing their children to a harsh enviroment. The little ones shouldn’t have to say ” Theres the paparazzi” when getting out of their car. Stop obsessing over a TV Show. Please.

    If you have a problem with anything I have said I will be happy to clarify it for you…okie dokie?

    Genna | May 31, 2009 | Reply

27. Susan,

    I have read your comments about my wife and my family, there are many things that I would love to say, but out of respect for my wife I will bite my tongue. As for your concerns about our money situation and how we feed our kids, let me ease your worries and let you know that we eat well. My wife makes great dishes that are very healthy and very tasty!!(Except the lentils) You make assertions that my kids are under nourished and need more food; I’m here to tell you that they are the most active of all the kids in the neighborhood. If they were not getting enough nutrition they would not have the energy to do so. Oh, and of all the kids we have come across ours eat 90% of the vegetables we give them, how many kids do you know who eat Brussels sprouts, squash, spinach, asparagus, and just about every other veggie we prepare for them? Most other kids I know will only eat green beans or corn, which of those two does yours eats? My kids are very healthy!!! Oh and we hardly ever eat hot dogs, those were for a special occasion.

    As to my wife home schooling our kids, well she is not alone, does not “do it all herself”. I do help, I’m not some lazy husband that works and comes home and plops on the couch, I’m an active part of the family! Maybe that’s what your husband does, not me. As for how smart our kids are, they read better than most of their friends! So far all of the older ones have been playing Chess from age 5, can you say that about yours?
    Standardized testing?? Please, there were no standardized tests 50 to 60 years ago and the schools were 10 times better than they are now.
    Less than 25 kids per class, ha where have you been? I have been in 14 different states in my life, many different schools, EVERY one that I was in the classes had 20 to 30 kids. EVERY one! Every time I pass a school that has classed that face the road you can see the number of kids in there, get real.

    As for my wife being selfish, so not true, she is the most loving, caring, generous person I know. She is my best friend and we are a team that loves and cares for our kids. I know of no other mother who gives more for her kids that she does. Our special needs kids are having their needs met. We both love and care for each child, not one of them is lacking in that department I can assure you.

    You have accused my wife of making nasty comments on the GWOP site, she read me the posts she put on there and there was nothing mean in them. You make it sound like Kate is a model mom, have you ever watched that show? I have, let me tell you that my wife has never belittled me in public or privet like Kate does to John. It seems to me that you are holding my wife responsible for all the comments there, or you’re just taking it out on her.

    As to our sex life, its fine the way it is. Maybe you should have more sex with your husband; you might not be so uptight then. We will have as many kids as GOD grants us, if that’s just 8 ok if that’s 12 great!

    I just thought you should know that Milehi is not alone, is very capable of caring for and home schooling our kids, and FEEDS US JUST FINE!!

    If you want to submit a menu that is up to your specs for me to review please feel free to send it to tsjedi1@gmail.com, we can debate it there, keep in mind though, I will pull the gloves off there.

    Tom

    Big Daddy T | May 31, 2009 | Reply

28. Those hotdogs!…they’re gonna give your kids colon cancer!…look it up, it’s true!

    All those vegetables, and the fruit *shudder*…they’re eating like Africans!…it’s horrible!

    And your children eat brussel sprouts?! Those poor little mites, I can hardly bear to think of it. Wake up! You’re American! Feed your kids like Americans!

    You homeschool…how selfish…a ratio of 1 to 8 is horrible to contemplate! your kids deserve better…they NEED your attention…put them in public school!

    Maybe you should take a tip from the noble and selfless Gosselins and pimp your children on tv. But no, you selfishly keep them all to yourself and you selfishly budget and plan your menus and cook from scratch and selfishly feed your children mountains of third world vegetables. Yuk!

    And all those children! Enough already! It’s a *Well Known Fact* that no child born into a large family has ever been well educated, successful or productive. That’s why our generation of Americans is so much smarter and more advanced than our peasanty forebears.
    But if you were more highly educated you would understand this like I do.

    Oh, on second thoughts, forget that.

    What I REALLY meant to say is

    …ROFLMAO!!!!!

    Clare | May 31, 2009 | Reply

29. Yay, Tom! I had some mean comments on my blog last year and my husband finally stepped in and had the final word. Good for you, and MHM, I’m sory you have to deal with this.

    Mrs. Sprinkles | May 31, 2009 | Reply

30. Very well said Big Daddy T!

    Butterflygirl | May 31, 2009 | Reply

31. Oh, here I go again!!!

    “There is no way a mother can have two special needs children (bipolar and speech problems, six additional children, and properly home school all of them.”

    Are you kidding me?

    “Good schools limit the number of children in a classroom. Why? Because teachers need time to teach and care for each child. Good mothers are the same way. And special needs children need even more time.”

    Susan, clearly you are not a Christ follower. Scripture teaches that God will never give us more than we can handle. And, last I checked – even in GOOD schools teachers have 25-30 kids per classroom. Special needs classes often have 12 or more. And, not one of those teachers loves those children and knows them the way their mother’s do. I’m betting you don’t have children of your own – or else it is the appropriate one or two children. I’m near certain you have no experience w/ special needs. I do. Milehimama is perfectly qualified to care for her family.

    “Everyday without therapy hurts him. He is having to stop therapy because YOU have chosen to add more children. This is not healthy for him. For pete’s sake, he doesn’t talk! You are his mother! Help him!”

    You ignorant, fool of a woman, I’m betting she’s not stuffing him into a closet until after the birth. What would make you think she isn’t continuing all the things they’ve been working on at home? She is after all given 24 hours a day with him and countless opportunities to communicate. As well, he has many other people who love him in the home that can work with him as well. You are a fool.

    “You do not make enough money to feed them all well. And to compare what your childern eat to the rest of the world… I’m sorry but the US has different standards than the rest of the world for what we consider good nutrition.”

    Why don’t you take a look at the average US citizen who is obese. The average US citizen feels the need to indulge excessively on unhealthy, overly processed foods. Without making assumptions about what you eat or what size waistband you have – I’m confident that you have a distorted and uneducated view of what a healthy body actually needs. And you are qualified to judge their income, how??? Seriously – what do you figure is the proper amount and please share how far they are from the mark? How is it you came to know what income is generated in Milehimama’s family?

    “Your family is not vegetarians, you simply cut out most meat because of the money. True vegetarians have very special diets so their children get all the proper nutrients.”

    Hey there – she didn’t say they ARE vegetarians! She said they eat a vegetarian diet – which is quite adequate. One does not need to be a vegetarian to eat like one and most doctors I know (and I know more than the average person on a personal level) agree that a vegetarian diet – such as served by MHM – is quite adequate and healthy.

    “I see selfishness in your mothering. YOU want eight children, no matter how it effects the others, even ones with special needs.”

    Correction, apparently the GOD OF THE UNIVERSE – the same God who spoke mountains into existence and put the stars in the sky – wants their family to have these children. MHM’s family is just open to His perfect will for their lives.

    The rest of your points are so laughable and out of touch I don’t need to respond.

    “By the way, I am happy the Gosselin children are not eating four packages of hot dogs per week. I’m glad that their parents value education, so therefore, they are in a good school. I’m glad Kate wants them to go to college and each will have their college paid for because of the show. Sounds like dedicated parents to me!”

    But this about sums “Susan” up… who sometimes I wonder if she is actually Kate. 4 packages of hot dogs would barely make 2 meals for a family the size of MHM’s. I have no concerns about that. I think Susan thinks everything boils down to money. It is perfectly fine to prostitute one’s child as long as they make lots of $$$ and can use a small portion of it to invest towards college expenses. And, just a heads up, none of that guarantees any of those children will go to college. I’m positive Kate is delighted to send her bratty children to school – just to guarantee herself several hours of quiet during the day where she can indulge in the wastefulness of her passions in life.

    “If you don’t want to use birth control, than stop having sex for a while with your husband. The needs of your children, which you created, come first.”

    Well, this makes it all abundantly clear. Susan is not a Christian woman and has no concepts of the joys of a healthy, loving marriage. We should all feel sorry for Susan and on that note… nothing else she says matters.

    Kaira | May 31, 2009 | Reply

32. Actually, it was Mr X’s therapist’s idea to take a break. She wanted to give him time to adjust to the new baby and settle into a routine, and see if not being the youngest any more affected his speech or communication.

    Funny – I have a child development expert in my home for 45 minutes a week, and she thinks it’s great that Mr X has so many opportunities to be around other kids of varying ages.

    Milehimama | May 31, 2009 | Reply

33. Thoughts for today:

    Being unwanted, unloved, uncared for, forgotten by everybody, I think that is a much greater hunger, a much greater poverty than the person who has nothing to eat.
    
    Loneliness and the feeling of being unwanted is the most terrible poverty.
    
    We think sometimes that poverty is only being hungry, naked and homeless. The poverty of being unwanted, unloved and uncared for is the greatest poverty. We must start in our own homes to remedy this kind of poverty.

    Mother Teresa

    Milehimama | May 31, 2009 | Reply

34. I love you, MHM – you are so gracious. You area better woman than I am. And on that note… gotta go switch the laundry.

    Have a blessed Sunday!

    Kaira | May 31, 2009 | Reply

35. Now you all have done it. You’ve made me spill this conversation onto my own blog:

    http://www.leavethelightson.info/2009/05/are-parents-selfish-if-they-have-big.html

    ginkgo100 | May 31, 2009 | Reply

36. After reading the post and the comments I think it has all been said. But seeing how I love internet drama I have to put my 2 cents in.

    “Susan” is retarded, for lack of better word choices at the moment.

    I have only visited this blog/site this one time after having a wonderful comment on my own blog from MHM. I can tell you this, from what I see her site is great, and I will be back.

    People who stir up s**t and leave comments w/o links or email addresses should be put in a pit and left there until they decide to man up.

    Have a great day

    Christi | May 31, 2009 | Reply

37. OH and BTW “Susan” I have 3 kids and we eat WAY more than 4 packages of hot dogs a week. We LOVE nitrates and salt, LOL! They are happy and healthy

    Christi | May 31, 2009 | Reply

38. Yay, Christi! We eat expensive, nitrite free hot dogs all year to make up for our summer indulgence of countless packages of Eckrich “mystery meat, nitrite loaded” hot dogs cooked over camp fires and BBQs while we go camping as a family. You know, as we invest our time and love into our kids and trust God will bless the food to our bodies.

    Kaira | May 31, 2009 | Reply

39. “Susan” – you are obviously way too involved in a television show. Perhaps you should seek counseling for this issue.

    Tracy | May 31, 2009 | Reply

40. Kaira-
    I totally agree, as long as we trust the Lord then those dogs won’t hurt us too bad.

    Having said that, I do try to get my kids to eat healthy…They love cucumbers and green beans. If those are the only veggies they eat I am happy. I know kids who won’t touch anything ‘green’!!!

    Christi | May 31, 2009 | Reply

41. Hi, “Susan”. I’m not a Catholic and do not share the beliefs of a lot of people here. I think birth control is a fine option. People’s religious reasons for not limiting the size of their family are not convincing to me personally. I think there are probably a number of people with large families whose homeschooling, nutrition or parenting would give me the same kind of negative reaction that you have had toward Milehimama.

    But I’ve been reading posts by MHM for some time now. What tia said – MHM is smart, articulate, educated, organized, and responsible, and she doesn’t dither. Her choice of a large family would not be my choice, and I will always disagree with her on some (many) issues. But as far as how she raises her family, it sounds like her kids are getting a fine childhood and good schooling.

    “Susan”, it’s possible that if you followed MHM’s posts for a longer period of time your initial reaction might change.

    highdesert | May 31, 2009 | Reply

42. Lisa,

    I have been following your blog for quite some time. All I can say is “Susan” definately doesn’t know anything about 1) having a pantry, 2) shopping sales, 3) large families, 4) allowing God to control all aspects of our lives and 5) homeschooling vs. public schools.

    Perhaps if “Susan” would follow your blog for a while she would learn and be able to hold rational discussions.

    You have handled this entire situation with great restraint.

    Of course shw would probably not like my blog either since I am a mom of a large family (oh and I also have had multiple higher order multiples) and I have a pantry and limit what I spend on food. And the next shocker is that I will be starting to homeschool next year so I think that might send her into a swoon.

    Donna | May 31, 2009 | Reply

43. Ladies, please mind your manners.

    I generally do not delete or ban commenters without warning (sadly, “Susan” did not heed her TWO warnings); however, if you are cowardly and don’t stand behind your ad hominem attacks enough to even leave an email address, link, or name I probably will not publish your comment.

    People who leave anonymous comments that do not add to the discussion but merely call other people names aren’t going to make the cut.

    Email addresses are not published, BTW.

    Please feel free to post your comment on your own site if you are too timid and ashamed to claim it on my site.

    Oh, and “Susan” – changing your name to “Robin” and “Cancer Survivor” isn’t going to get your comments through any faster, especially when you persist in the behaviors that got your comments moderated in the first place.

    Milehimama | May 31, 2009 | Reply

44. I also “believe in” birth control, within reasonable limits. But, that does not give me the right to push my beliefs on others.
    Or tell them what they should feed their children, when they should stop having children, or make their choices for them in general.
    And getting on Milehi’s case, when she is having a baby soon, shows a real lack of tact and grace.
    There is a time to speak and a time to show some restraint and just keep your mouth shut!

    Debbie | May 31, 2009 | Reply

45. And, just to be clear, that comment is directed at Susan.

    Debbie | May 31, 2009 | Reply

46. And being Americans does not entitle us to better medical care, food, housing and a higher standard of living than the rest of the world.
    We are privileged, not entitled.

    Debbie | May 31, 2009 | Reply

47. I have a background in nutrition and my concern about your meal plans is that you are pregnant. I read that you only gained 12 lbs. at 36 weeks. That is very low weight gain. You need to make sure your baby is getting all the things he/she needs to grow. A woman should gain 25-37 lbs. – I think you need to increase your intake of food.

    Also, I have found that the leaner I buy my ground beef, the more protein my family gets. Although it is a little more expensive, I think you get more bang for your buck. I buy it on sale and freeze it, so I never pay full price. The two leanest ground beefs are sirloin and the leanest is actually called lean. I never knew there was a leaner ground beef than sirloin until a few years ago. The leanest is about 3-5% fat. It packs a whopping 25 grams of protein per serving. I think a serving is 4 ounces, uncooked. On a good sale I can get each for $2-$2.50 per pound. But, when I do sloppy joes, I do use half sirloin and half ground round, which has a little more fat than sirloin. Sloppy joes need the extra fat to taste good.

    I would increase the protein and amount of food that you are buying. $130 +/- every week for such a large family is low, especially with growing kids. Growing boys eat a lot. Wait till they are teens, feeding teenage boys is like feeding a small cow. They never stop eating.

    Also, have you tried fish oil supplements for your child with bipolar? Of course, you would need to discuss this with his doctor first, but research it. People with bipolar have had amazing results with fish oil supplements and there is research to prove it. Our store has a sale once a month on Nature Made vitamins, buy one, get one free. It is great! I do believe the sale comes from the company and not the store. The sale might be available in your area too. Plus, by going to the Nature Made website and entering all the codes on the vitamins you buy, they send you coupons. Large coupons, like $5 worth.

    I’m off to feed the baby!

    Karen | Jun 1, 2009 | Reply

48. I feel bad that Lisa has to keep reading horrid comments from this “susan” person. I was on bed rest w/ baby #3 and know how stress can make you feel. It isn’t the right time to blatantly be ugly. Have some tact and stop commenting all together. Even if you don’t have respect for Lisa, have some for that baby inside her. I mean, you shout Christianity in all your comments…show some Christian actions why don’t you?! Even though you should respect Lisa, she seems like a very well educated lady and a loving mother.

    Christi | Jun 1, 2009 | Reply

49. OH and “Susan” if you want to direct comments to me feel free to click on my name, as it is connected to my personal blog. I am not a coward and always link back to my blog and leave an email address.

    Christi | Jun 1, 2009 | Reply

50. First time reader and poster…. from the link from “Leave the Light On”

    I only have four, but when a new child comes in, there is already a routine set place. God forbid I make my children pick up their own toy room every night! And yes the older toddler is in ‘early intervention’ because he does not speak and we all learned sign language to bridge him into speech. Also no, the oldest doesn’t complain because she has to get her own glass of milk and place the glass in the sink after she is done.

    Children are great, children should be loved, children are special to their parents, but that doesn’t mean they are entitled to ‘narcissistic princess epidemic’ that they should be pampered and served as if they are they only ones that exist in on the planet. If not having a lot of siblings (like myself), even a greater extended family close by serves this function of giving the gift of humility, that there is a world beyond ‘me’.

    Renee | Jun 1, 2009 | Reply

51. Karen, as a nutritionist, I would be interested in your opinion on how to improve the nutritional quality of the dinner meals. I see that you say we need to increase the protein content, but our protein consumption already greatly exceeds the governmental guidelines. What amount of protein do you recommend for children?

    We don’t eat ground beef very often, but thank you for your input on fat contents. Usually, I make sloppy joes with bulghur and lentils (which probably won’t make you happy, but the kids like it, it’s low fat, full of fiber and protein, and does not contain weird chemicals).

    We actually use Coromega as a supplement for both my older child and Mr X, because it’s easier to swallow than a pill. I tried Dr. Sear’s new formula, but found we had to eat too many and the Coromega was more efficient.

    I am not sure why “Susan” believes that because we do not use a prescription for an antipsychotic with devastating long term side effects that has not been approved for use with our son’s condition means he is not being treated, but she seems to jump to conclusions.

    As a nutritionist, you should know that weight gain in a pregnant woman is not a cut and dried thing. I had several issues to work around, including first trimester weight loss. My doctor, an OB/GYN, said my weight gain was “excellent” last week, and since he is familiar with my starting weight, medical history, and issues his opinion is the one I’ll trust.

    And believe me, I know how much 9 and 10 year old boys eat!

    Milehimama | Jun 1, 2009 | Reply

52. I do have to wonder why the amount I spend is so controversial. Simply saying “it’s not enough” without any input about how the food we eat is nutritionally inadequate is not helpful.

    When I was eating a diabetic diet (on the advice of a licensed physician), I plugged many of our meals into an Excel spreadsheet using government food values and was surprised at how much more healthy and nutrient dense the vegetarian meals were.

    I could spend more, but that doesn’t mean our meals would be any healthier. If I paid $2.50 for a loaf of bread, instead of $1 (for the same exact brand), that’s not healthier. If I buy yogurt every week instead of making it, it would cost 5x as much – but it’s not any healthier. If I even bought cans of beans instead of using dried beans, I would spend more, but we’d get the same nutrients. I could leave the coupons at home and spend more, but why ignore “free money”?

    More $ does not equal more nutrients.

    Milehimama | Jun 1, 2009 | Reply

53. Renee, my kids all have chores too. I’m sure that’s more proof “I don’t love them!” LOL!

    OTOH, how loving is it to send an 18 year old out into the world unable to feed himself, care for his clothing, or keep the bathroom sanitary?

    Milehimama | Jun 1, 2009 | Reply

54. Hey MHM, I made you another LOLcat just for this conversation. =)

    http://mine.icanhascheezburger.com/view.aspx?ciid=4321429

    Also, have you considered setting your comments so an e-mail is required for anonymous commenters? That seems to be the norm on most WP blogs these days because it requires commenters to be accountable for their words. It’s possible to enter a fake e-mail, but I think most people just put in their real e-mail—at least I always have. (Then again, I don’t troll around comboxes trying to provoke people.)

    ginkgo100 | Jun 1, 2009 | Reply

55. I make vegetarian meals often. My kids don’t ever know because I use the frozen ‘like ground meat’ crumbles you can buy.

    The taco’s I make are sooo good and very very nutritious.

    I do spend about $150.00 a week on food. We have a family of 5 and as my girls get older they are eating more.

    My lunches are very boring and normally consist of the hot dogs I spoke of, or sandwiches. My breakfasts are fruit, cereal or both. Occasionally we have a pop-tart(weekends only).

    I think you have a great idea with the budgeting you have set forth and the meal idea’s you have posted. As long as kids get a good amount of food and take vitamins regularly then I think they will grow just fine.

    You know what works for you, and no one should judge you for what you feed your family…unless it is nothing *wink*. You are doing great. xoxo

    Christi | Jun 1, 2009 | Reply

56. I have thought about it, but most people just fake them anyway (“Susan” used “notgivingitout@aol.com, for example) and I prefer to have my comments as open as possible.

    Christi, really, hot dogs and poptarts? I can’t believe you’d admit to that…. LOL!

    Milehimama | Jun 1, 2009 | Reply

57. It is amusing that people are on me for eating beans (too healthy!) and eating hot dogs (toxic cancer sticks!)

    Balance, people. Balance.

    Then again, people have told me that *not* giving Mr R M&Ms with food colors is cruel; while others think that allowing him to buy a Hershey bar with his allowance is appalling. Can’t please everyone, so I’ll do what works for us!

    Milehimama | Jun 1, 2009 | Reply

58. …and on that note – AMEN!

    Kaira | Jun 1, 2009 | Reply

59. Admitting is the first step right? LOL

    Actually I don’t really think that others should judge based on what food choices we make. If I want to eat crap all day and feed it to my kids that is my business. As I said, you are doing a fine job!! xoxo

    Christi | Jun 1, 2009 | Reply

60. ‘I am not against homeschooling. Some people with extensive educational backgrounds or with the means to hire their own teachers can do it well. But, the majority fail their children miserably at it, especially those that do it for religious reasons because they often lack the background. Milehimama is teaching for so many different grade levels that it is impossible for each child to learn all they need to know. ‘

    Sorry, I just needed to respond to this comment. I am a SAHM with 2 daughters (15&13)who were homeschooled for 3 years. We homeschooled because we were unhappy with the way the school in our area was being ran. For example, if my daughter didn’t complete and turn in her homework there was no email or phone call from the teacher just a bad grade on a report card at the end of term. During the three years that we homeschooled we went from a child that HATED to read to one who hates to put down a book.

    I have a college degree but not in education. I am capable of looking over the requirements for our state and making sure we follow those requirements. Keep in mind that those are minimum requirements. I expect more from my children.

    A child that can’t read, write, or stay organized will not get far in life. When we decided to allow our children to return to public schools they had to take a placement test. Both of our daughters scored at grade level or better in EVERY subject. My oldest bypassed two years of math classes because we had spent so much time working with her.

    I am sure there are some parents who homeschool and pay little to no attention to what their child is doing during school time. For the vast majority of homeschoolers, our children are better educated because we can give them unlimited one on one time when they need it.

    As for the discussion about how many children they have, that is a subject that is between them and God, no one else.

    Sorry if I have rambled on. I pray you have a safe and easy delivery.

    Christa | Jun 1, 2009 | Reply

61. “Susan”, you are what is known as a “buttinski”. ‘nough said.

    Kim | Jun 1, 2009 | Reply

62. “I have a background in nutrition and my concern about your meal plans is…”

    LOL!

    Karen.

    I’m thinking that your “Background in nutrition” is the fact that you are a “Person Who Eats Food”.

    Nice try at implying that you have a nutritional qualification of some sort to back up your concerns and ‘helpful’ suggestions though.

    “You need to make sure your baby is getting all the things he/she needs to grow”

    Now THAT is good professional sounding advice! Not many people know this top tip, it’s ‘inside knowledge’. Thanks for sharing.

    But then this…
    “A woman should gain 25-37 lbs”

    And here Karen blows the gaffe on her implication that she is a nutritionist.
    Because she’s wrong.
    Those figures are meaningless.

    I’m a midwife and here in the UK we stopped weighing women a long time ago.
    I have known women whose weight has remained virtually STATIC throughout their pregnancy. And yes, they gave birth to healthy well grown babies.

    It all depends on your starting BMI.

    And in anycase, WHY do we weigh? Well the answer used to be that it gave us an idea of how well the baby was growing ( there was also a bit of a red herring about fluid retention that I never understood)
    Modern ultrasound technology makes that a crude, outmoded and irrelevant measurement.

    Weigh yourself for your own interest by all means. But when someone tell you that a pregnant womans weight gain “should be” x or y and mentions their ‘background in nutrition’ to lend gravitas to their instruction, please know that the ‘background’ that they are referring to is likely to be little more than their own digestive system.

    And Karen, your comments about ground beef and protein. Actually a much better way of boosting the protein content and getting ‘more bang for you buck’ is by adding lentils to the meat. I find that I can stretch my meat to feed my older boys (19 and 15)much further that way. This was a tip from a real nutritionist. Just thought I’d pass it on.

    Clare | Jun 1, 2009 | Reply

63. I don’t think Karen is a nutritionist, either, but tried to give her the benefit of the doubt.

    No doctor has ever told me I should gain 37 pounds, and I’ve been to quite a few different OBs!

    Milehimama | Jun 1, 2009 | Reply

64. Clare,

    My goodness you are rude.

    You don’t weigh pregnant women? And you think, under normal circumstances, gaining only 12 lbs. at 36 weeks is good? Do you want me to list all the horrible complications that can happen to children when women don’t gain enough weight during pregnancy? No doctor in the USA would treat a pregnant woman without weighing her. If he did, I’m sure it would be grounds for a lawsuit.

    Can I tell you what I think of your government sponsered HORRIBLE healthcare system in the UK, that you are apart of?

    BTW, adding lentils to meat does not give you more bang for your buck. Children need the nutrients and complete protein found in red meat. Your boys are probably not getting the nutrients and complete proteins they need. It would be better that they get a part-time job and contribute to the food bill than cut down on the meat.

    I guess you get your kicks from attacking people that you don’t know on the net. How very sad for you.

    And yes, I have a real degree from a real college (GO BLUE!), with many years of experience in healthcare and nutrition.

    ******************************************

    Good luck, MileHiMama. I don’t know if I will be back. Life is too short to deal with people like Clare!

    Karen | Jun 1, 2009 | Reply

65. After I left my first reply, I then saw your message, MileHiMama. How sweet of you to give me the “benefit of the doubt” that I have a background in nutrition.

    The range for a normal weight woman to gain during pregnancy is 25-37 lbs. Don’t believe me? Look it up. Most doctors say about 30 lbs. is good. Many women gain more. The biggest problem is when a woman doesn’t gain enough. I was shocked, frankly, that you had only gained 12 lbs. at 36 weeks. Much of your site is about nutrition, so I thought mentioning this was OK. You are obvouisly sharing it with everyone on the net.

    By the way, the meals you have listed on the front of your site for a 9 year old boy are not acceptable. All the chick peas, brown rice, and spinach in the world are not a good, healthy dinner for a growing boy.

    I will not be returning to your site. I will leave you all to your ignorance. After all, ignorance is bliss!

    Karen | Jun 1, 2009 | Reply

66. Oh, BTW, “Karen” and “Susan” are the same, but I let Karen’s through this time (even without apology) because she was civil and left an email. I didn’t catch it on Karen’s last email, but I think she is contributing somewhat to the discussion.

    Really, it would be so helpful if you’d pick a name and stick to it.

    Now, then.

    3 oz. ground sirloin, (before cooking): 24.18 grams protein, 196 calories, 10 g. fat, 0 g. fiber.

    1 c. lentils (cooked): 17.86 g. protein, 230 calories, >1 g. fat, 15.6 g. fiber.

    I suppose it depends on how you define “healthy”.

    Ground sirloin does have more protein – but comes with fat and without fiber.

    Now, about the weight gain during pregnancy – let’s just lay it all out, then.

    I started my pregnancy with a BMI of 27.1 and wore a size 12. Recommended weight gain over 40 weeks for that BMI is 15-25 pounds (not taking other medical issues, such as gestational diabetes, history of preeclampsia, etc.) 12 pounds @ 36 weeks is in keeping with a total weight gain of 15-20 pounds total.

    At almost 39 weeks, I’ve gained a net total of 20 pounds and now weigh 188 pounds. Not exactly starving, KWIM? (Heh. Darn Hurricane Ike – I was doing great and down to a size 10 before he came to town! Or rather, darn my lack of self control during stressful times!)

    I agree with Clare’s opinion that maternal weight gain is not necessarily the best measure of how well the baby is growing – that’s why they measure fundal height, and so on.

    Again, Karen, for someone in the health/nutrition industry, you should know that not every patient is the same.

    You’re more than welcome to come back – your sense of irony is priceless!

    I guess you get your kicks from attacking people that you don’t know on the net. How very sad for you.

    Milehimama | Jun 1, 2009 | Reply

67. Oh yeah. “Karen/Susan” – you did not answer my question. If we are already exceeding the RDA for protein, why the insistence that we add more? Do you follow alternative nutritional guidelines, and if so, what are they?

    Milehimama | Jun 1, 2009 | Reply

68. Now I am really questioning your background in nutrition if you don’t think spinach and brown rice are healthy foods for growing boys.

    By the way, the meals you have listed on the front of your site for a 9 year old boy are not acceptable.

    Well, I got my info from the National Institutes of Health and the CDC. So I guess the guidelines for the whole country are unacceptable to you.

    As I noted on my FSC week 22 post, that wasn’t the whole entire meal, just a note on how nutritional requirements could be met without even taking into account everything one eats in a day.

    As I said:
    All without meat, and that’s not even taking snacks into consideration! (Although my 9 year old boy eats far more than that! Two sandwiches are a more typical lunch, plus more fruit for snacks throughout the day and seconds for dinner, too!)

    Really, why do such details escape you so often?

    Milehimama | Jun 1, 2009 | Reply

69. Here is the link to my reference for weight gain in pregnant women.

    Pregnancy Weight Gain

    However, “Karen/Susan”, you might not like the Mayo Clinic site, or their guidelines for healthy eating during pregnancy. They actually have the nerve to recommend that pregnant women eat brown rice, chickpeas, black beans, and whole wheat bread.

    Milehimama | Jun 1, 2009 | Reply

70. Clare is awesome and Karen stinks. So does her alter-ego Susan. Sorry, MHM, I couldn’t help myself.

    Kaira | Jun 1, 2009 | Reply

71. I have never commented on your blog before (even though I am a frequent reader), but I just have to have to leave my two cents on this whole weight gain during pregnancy thing.

    I am a mother of three. I never had a “net” gain of more than 23lbs in any of my pregnancies. My first child I gained 20 lbs for and then birthed a 10 lb 5 oz child.

    My next two pregnancies I was a gestational diabetic. I had to eat a specific diet and give myself insulin shots. Once I started the diet, I lost over 10 lbs then slowly gained my weight back and ended 13 lbs above my pre-pregnancy weight.

    Most women have some extra weight to spare when they get pregnant. It is not unusual for women to lose weight and then end their pregnancies only 15-20 lbs over their pre-pregnancy weight. That is HEALTHY! I used to work for 3 OBGYN’s, it happened all the time.

    I also want to comment quickly on home schooling 7 children. I am not sure why Susan/Karen sees this as being a negative. My grandfather was a teacher in a one room school house. He would have 20 children of all different ages and grades. Most of our elderly generation grew up this way! It was NOT a problem then and it is not a problem now.

    MHM…You are doing a wonderful job raising your beautiful family. You are using your resources wisely, something that God demands us all to do. You are LOVING your children by teaching them ( I know, I was part of the first generation of homeschool children, back in the day when parents could get thrown into jail for keep their children at home, and I NEVER doubted my parents love and selfLESSness). You are taking care of your family by feeding them with healthy food. Spinach and brown rice are a lot better for you than anything the kids are eating in the school cafeteria. You inspire many of us to be better Moms, keep us the good work!

    Lyn | Jun 1, 2009 | Reply

72. Unfortunately, Susan has read a blog and jumped to a number of uninformed conclusions. I specifically refer to a paragraph in her 30 May posting:

    “There is no way a mother can have two special needs children (bipolar and speech problems, six additional children, and properly home school all of them. Sorry, but no one is capable of doing that all well – there is not enough time in the day. Honestly, you should be ashamed of how you are raising your children.”

    Susan, I have been to Milehimama’s house, and you’re flat wrong. I’ve seen and talked with the children and they are well-adjusted, healthy, respectful, fun-loving, curious, intelligent kids. Since you haven’t met MHM in person, you don’t know how special and capable she is Perhaps you’ve been around to many people who have pedestrian abilities, but MHM CAN run a home school and have two special-needs kids, plus handle the home, finances, husband and blog in exemplar syle.

    Far from being ashamed of how she’s raising her children, it’s a great pity tha tmore people in this world don’t raise their children with as much love, selflessness and capabilities as MHM does.

    Mike | Jun 1, 2009 | Reply

73. Well, I finally finished all the comments, beena usy day I see.

    And with Karen/Susan’s last posting:

    “… After all, ignorance is bliss!”

    She appears to be one of the most blissful people around …. 8^)

    Mike | Jun 1, 2009 | Reply

74. Milihi, I think your total weightgain is just fine. My first pregnancy I gained 40 pounds and was admonished by my OB. 2nd pregnancy I gained 25 pounds after losing 60 due to being sick the entire pregnancy. Even then my OB said I should have only gained back 15-20… My last baby I gained 8 pounds…. I have gained more weight in 7 years without being pregnant then I ever did while pregnant all 3 times combined. Karen/Susan is just blowing smoke.

    Ginger | Jun 1, 2009 | Reply

75. “Oh, BTW, “Karen” and “Susan” are the same, but I let Karen’s through this time (even without apology) because she was civil and left an email. I didn’t catch it on Karen’s last email, but I think she is contributing
    somewhat to the discussion”

    *****************************************

    My goodness, nasty, nasty, nasty. I had to laugh at your assertion that I’m someone I’m not. Nope, I’n not Susan. Sorry.

    I read the whole day’s menu on the first page. It doesn’t have enough fats, let alone good fats for a growing boy. There is no high quality complete proteins, the list goes on…

    Kids need meat, be it turkey, beef, chicken, or pork. High quality animal protein gives the body nutrients that plant proteins don’t. Growing children need this. Your son is not a 65 year old man with a bad heart, stop feeding him like he is.

    By comparing lentils to ground sirlion, you miss the whole point, nutrition wise. Because lentils have only one gram of fat, you think that’s the best? Healthy kids, healthy people, need fat in their diets. Lentils are great, but they don’t replace high quality animal protein.

    Did you know that plant protein is hard for the body to use and absorb? Plus, plant protein lacks many of the amino acids that are in high quality animal protein. Veggies are great, but are not enough alone as a protein source, especially for kids.

    In your week 15 post you said, “I always wonder if the kids get enough protein.” Well, wonder no more – they don’t get enough protein.

    I posted here again because I had to comment on you telling everyone that I’m someone I’m not. I won’t be back. Life is too short to deal with nasty blog people.

    Karen | Jun 1, 2009 | Reply

76. Oh, sorry, I just *assumed* that since you are commenting from the same town, same IP address, using the same internet provider and internet software on the same computer as “Susan” that you were, indeed, the same person. Especially since two OTHER comments, using that same exact information, came through (that I didn’t publish, but sounded just like “Susan”.)

    I do apologize if you two are, in fact, two separate human beings who just happen to share the same computer.

    Milehimama | Jun 1, 2009 | Reply

77. Today’s menu:
    ham, mashed potatoes, frozen veggies.

    Too funny. Ham doesn’t have enough fat. LOL!

    Starting to think Karen/Susan are a shill for the beef industry…

    Milehimama | Jun 1, 2009 | Reply

78. You know my town, my IP address, etc., etc.?

    There is no possible way you could have that information.

    Sorry, but you are just saying that for your other posters.

    In full disclosure, I will say that you sent me an email inviting me back to comment on your blog. Weird behavior if you truly thought I was Susan.

    Karen | Jun 1, 2009 | Reply

79. It’s called Sitemeter, it’s free, and a lot of bloggers use it.

    I did send you an email to verify the email address was valid. The email said:
    You are more than welcome to continue commenting on the blog.

    I was inviting you back, since your comment stayed within guidelines and you provided an email address.

    What would be weird was sending the message to “Karen” when “Susan” (et al) was the one not allowed to comment on my blog.

    Milehimama | Jun 1, 2009 | Reply

80. Actually, I like Sitemeter. It tells you how people found your site, so you can see what Google searches bring people over.

    Google Search “Bingo” is always fun!

    Milehimama | Jun 1, 2009 | Reply

81. Milehi,

    I just want to lend you my support, and let you know how strong you are not to let this whole thing bother you too much. I enjoy reading this site, I enjoy reading about your family, but I disagree with the majority of your political views. So what! I wouldn’t dream of castigating you because that would be pointless, low class and bad manners to boot.
    It’s important to be classy, don’t you think . (except during childbirth. No one can be classy during childbirth. Good luck, btw)
    Eva

    Eva | Jun 2, 2009 | Reply

82. I have used Sitemeter for over a year it is a wonderful way to catch Trolls in lies..oops looks like Karen/Susan is actually truly ignorant. Maybe she shouldn’t come back this time.

    This woman/person sure is going to a lot of trouble to upset you Lisa. That is messed up. xoxo

    Christi | Jun 2, 2009 | Reply

83. WOW!!!!!!!

    I would like to aplaud you MHM!! What restraint, what resolve!!!!
    Got here just today by following a link. I am so glad I did!!!

    ” ..and her children will rise up and call her blessed.”

    I am praying for your healthy birth, for those around you, and those who are ignorant/jealous/unloved/uncaredfor/unhealthy/unlikeable.
    May the God of all mercy shower blessings down on all.

    Wendy | Jun 2, 2009 | Reply

84. By the way, I have 1 great husband, 2 lovely daughters, 3 special diets, no pets other than wild birds, and my budget is much, much less than gov’mnt issue. We homeschool, have no learning disabilities other than rebellion and fits of giggles every few minutes. My chicks are healthy, happy, harmonious, and we eat even less meat than you do. We live in the great state of constant air conditioning! Never knew it as a child! We don’t watch tv as a rule(sucks a person dry!) only movies of our choosing-quite a library of movies out there. I have always said that If my kids cannot communicate with me, learn to take care of themselves, be productive with their time, they shouldn’t be OUT IN PUBLIC!! As it stands, my oldest, turning 18 in 18 days, is going to bible camp, National Right to Life convention, and has a job as a nanny all this summer. What public place could she learn everything she needed to for all of this?

    Just wanted to encourage you and your Big Daddy. 8 is a small number in my neck of the woods. Friends have 9, 10, and 12 respectively. All are healthy, loved, and wonderful to be around.

    Had a friend who gained 8 lbs. had an 8 lb. baby boy,NO complications!. My first, I lost 13 lbs in the first tri. Oh well, to each her own.

    So much for my 2 cents. Have read some more and will be back on a regular basis, as I have bookmarked you!

    Blessings!

    Wendy | Jun 2, 2009 | Reply

85. have no learning disabilities other than rebellion

    I hear ya! ROFL!

    Thanks everyone for your kind words and prayers.

    Milehimama | Jun 2, 2009 | Reply

86. lol I guess Susan/Karen didn’t know how non-invisible she really is! Yay for Sitemeter! (and other site counters!)

    Kim | Jun 2, 2009 | Reply

87. OK, Karen, now I am annoyed, because you are perpetuating false information about health and nutrition. So I’m going to whip out my credentials.

    I’m a professional science and health writer. I have a B.S in Zoology summa cum laude. I publish about 8000-10,000 words per month about health and nutrition. I use primary and secondary sources for my research (e.g. medical journal articles and university-sponsored reference sites) and know how to evaluate a source for reliability and bias.

    A complete protein is one that contains all eight to ten (the number varies depending on age) essential amino acids in sufficient amounts. Animal protein, including meat, dairy, and egg protein, is complete. Soybeans and quinoa are vegetable sources of complete protein. Other vegetable proteins must be combined to make complete protein; a very common and basic combination, found in recipes around the world, is a grain (brown rice, whole-grain wheat, maize (corn), etc.) plus a pulse (lentils, peas, beans). Grains and pulses each make up for each others’ amino acid deficiencies. For more information, read these article I wrote on complete protein in the diet and how the human body uses protein.

    MHM’s lentil and brown rice combination counts as a complete protein because it combines a pulse with a grain.

    It is impossible to evaluate any diet, including MHM’s, for nutritional value unless you have a complete list (including quantities) of the food consumed in a day. Since all you have is a menu for a single meal — not even a list of how much is actually eaten at dinner, only of what is planned — it is impossible to evaluate MHM’s family diet and call it deficient.

    Of course, a person with a background in nutritional science would know all of this. A person who reads nutritional supplement literature (which is heavily biased) and calls it a “nutritional background” might not know that.

    ginkgo100 | Jun 2, 2009 | Reply

88. Congratulations to you for responding to “Susan” in such a intelligent, graceful way. I wouldn’t have had to patience to do it. I would have just deleted her.
    I like your site, and have gleened many great vegetarian recipes from it. Being vegetarian hasn’t affected the health of my family either!
    Keep up the good work!

    Tara | Jun 2, 2009 | Reply

89. Hear, hear, ginko!

    Thanks for setting our troll straight on food combining. The concept that vegetarians had to eat a specially prepared diet that combined grains and pulses in every fork full is out-dated as well.

    I’m overweight, diabetic, and meat-addicted, and I wish my Mom had fed me like Milehi feeds her kids!

    But being a depression baby, she bought into the hype that you should give the kid meat every day!

    Sandwichmom | Jun 2, 2009 | Reply

90. Karen
    You’ve been thouroughly debunked and despatched already by the other commenters here, but i couldn’t resist one more riposte.

    Clare,

    My goodness you are rude.

    You think? I’ve improved alot actually, but yes, I don’t quite have MHM’s grace and finesse yet. I admire her restraint.

    You don’t weigh pregnant women?

    We don’t. It’s called ‘Evidence Based Practice’.

    And you think, under normal circumstances, gaining only 12 lbs. at 36 weeks is good?

    As I said, it all depend on the starting BMI. You made yourr assumptions without knowing those details about MHM. Mighty strange for someone with your, ahem ‘background’ hm?

    No doctor in the USA would treat a pregnant woman without weighing her. If he did, I’m sure it would be grounds for a lawsuit.

    That’s right. It’s a practice that has more to do with the litigious habits of Americans than clinical evidence of value. I think it’s called ‘Defensive Medical Practice’

    Can I tell you what I think of your government sponsered HORRIBLE healthcare system in the UK, that you are apart of?

    Go right ahead, knock yourself out. You won’t hurt my feelings LOL!

    I will say that the US medical system is often cited as being an example of the problems of a pluralistic hodge podge health care system where doctors make their living off unecessary procedures. Additionally, many clinical decisions are made simply as a defense against potential litigation.
    You have the worlds most expensive healthcare system, yet much of what you do is costly and ineffective and non evidence based.
    I simply say this to illustrate the truism that people in glass house shouldn’t throw stones.
    Despite what you may think, the NHS is very far from being a ‘horrible’ healthcare system. And lest you be too proud, I hate to break it to you, but the US is not widely regarded as being a beacon of healthcare practice.

    BTW, adding lentils to meat does not give you more bang for your buck. Children need the nutrients and complete protein found in red meat. Your boys are probably not getting the nutrients and complete proteins they need. It would be better that they get a part-time job and contribute to the food bill than cut down on the meat.

    Yaaaawn. Debunked. despatched… Next!

    I guess you get your kicks from attacking people that you don’t know on the net. How very sad for you.

    Yes… that IS tragic isn’t it? ROFL

    And yes, I have a real degree from a real college (GO BLUE!), with many years of experience in healthcare and nutrition.

    If I believed for a minute that your nutritional expertise was aquired in a US ‘hall of academe’ ( No idea what ‘go blue’ means btw unless it means ‘talk nonsense till I’m blue in the face’) it would explain an awful lot about how America became the worlds fattest nation.

    Life is too short to deal with people like Clare!

    That made me puff my chest out a little. I thank you.

    Clare | Jun 2, 2009 | Reply

91. Doctors in the US weigh every person who comes into their office for any reason because of the US Insurance requirements. Three vitals are necessary for insurance paperwork. Most doctors do the “easy” things…weight, blood pressure, temperature. Sometimes pulse instead of BP.

    It has nothing to do with the health of the patient; it is all about bureaucratic insurance hoops.

    Weight is monitored only when it is really an issue or something to be concerned about; otherwise, it is nothing more or less than record keeping. And, while most if not all doctors follow the insurance company determined protocol, they do nothing with it other than record it so they can get paid.

    So, no, there would not be litigation if weight was not taken or recorded – even in a pregnant woman. That is a wild exaggeration based on preconceived notions…among other things.

    It is watched in pregnant women, but it is not the guiding factor in health or growth and development.

    tia | Jun 2, 2009 | Reply

92. I cannot believe the venom spewed by Susan/Karen about the way you feed and home-school your children! If she only knew what a wonderful, intelligent, loving and caring mom and wife you are, she would know that she doesn’t have a leg to stand on. Your research of dietary requirements for your family and especially for the bi-polar Mr. R has been so extensive (and so successful, I might add) that it is obvious you have done your homework. Your healthy, happy children are proof positive.

    And knowing what a terrific job you have done with home-schooling your children, I want everyone to realize that you are an expert at that, too! (I am a retired teacher who can vouch for the results you have achieved.)

    As for the size of your family, I don’t see how that is anybody’s business but yours and your husband’s.

    My admiration for the wonderful job you are doing with your children is vast. I don’t know that very many women could do as well as you have with a large family and special needs children. May the new baby bring you and your family much happiness.

    Margie

    Margie | Jun 2, 2009 | Reply

93. This must be feed a troll week or something. Meredith is dealing with one, too. It wouldn’t be you, would it, Susan/Karen? Meredith’s troll is just as, ahem, well, I won’t even say it, but it starts with an “a”.

    Kim | Jun 2, 2009 | Reply

94. Hi, Milehimama. I found your blog a few weeks ago and I must say it is the most fantastic blog I’ve come across.

    I have thirteen children and I homeschool all of them. My eldest, 19, just married and his lovly wife Reby is pregnant with their first. We expect an equally large brood from them and Reby plans to homeschool. We advise the Charlotte Mason method to everyone we know.

    I cannot imagine why everye one is so angry with you feeding your babies hot dogs. It is a staple in our household and we eat at least five packs a week. Our food bill is $350 but I’m working diligently, Milehimama, to decrease it to $200.

    With great thanks and may God be with you,
    Mitzi Aldermatch

    Mitzi | Jun 2, 2009 | Reply

95. I read the whole day’s menu on the first page. It doesn’t have enough fats, let alone good fats for a growing boy. There is no high quality complete proteins, the list goes on…

    …

    By comparing lentils to ground sirlion, you miss the whole point, nutrition wise. Because lentils have only one gram of fat, you think that’s the best? Healthy kids, healthy people, need fat in their diets. Lentils are great, but they don’t replace high quality animal protein.

    The fat in red meat is not “good fat,” though, is it? I confess it’s been a while since I looked into it seriously, but aren’t we advised to limit our intake of red meat because of the saturated fat content?

    rosamundi | Jun 3, 2009 | Reply

96. “I guess you get your kicks from attacking people that you don’t know on the net. How very sad for you.”

    Yes… that IS tragic isn’t it? ROFL

    *****

    LOL…I have to admit I get a kick out of the irony of that statement….Pot / Kettle??

    maggii | Jun 3, 2009 | Reply

97. Thank you for clarifying that the troll “Susan” is not me.

    Actually a couple of months ago I re-read through all your food posts to glean ideas on how to save more money on food.

    Susan | Jun 3, 2009 | Reply

98. It sounds to me like Karen/whats-her-name might be coming from a Nourishing Traditions angle. I think it’s a load, personally, but that’s just me.

    Gah. Your menus are fine, MHM.

    Deborah | Jun 3, 2009 | Reply

99. I don’t think so – NT encourages the use of whole grains and legumes. The NT book thinks oatmeal is a great breakfast! (Soaked overnight, of course.)

    Here’s an article written by the author of NT:
    http://www.westonaprice.org/traditional_diets/ancient_dietary_wisdom.html>Ancient Dietary Wisdom

    She actually promotes African/indigenous tribal diets, unlike the other commenter who thought that Americans are special somehow and shouldn’t eat like the rest of the world.

    Milehimama | Jun 3, 2009 | Reply

100. Just read all of this through and have found the saga of Karen/Susan rather funny. I don’t watch TV but saw one episode of K&T+8 in a hotel room while at a home school conference and thought she was dreadful.

     I look at what you feed your kids and I only wish I could get my kids to eat lentils and kale! I am always lamenting that we eat too much meat (we raise our own), and that there are only 3 or 4 vegetables the kids will touch. Your family eats better than most Americans, on or off food budgets.

     If Karen/Susan thinks that your kids would be better off with a public school education, she should look at this comment from a teacher I read this morning: http://patricelewis.blogspot.com/2009/06/teacher-in-trenches.html

     Nadja | Jun 3, 2009 | Reply

101. Well, “Karen/Susan/Mitzi/etc.”, if you do attempt to feed your 13 children for $350 a month and keep feeding them 5 packs of hotdogs a week, I do hope you realize you’re gonna have to eat beans at some point.

     You’ve said you’re not coming back 3 times – but have now used 6 different names and even more email addresses.

     Milehimama | Jun 3, 2009 | Reply

102. PS – Husband – I see you reading here!

     LOL

     The only time he reads my blog is when someone’s being mean, LOL!

     Milehimama | Jun 3, 2009 | Reply

103. You pop that baby out yet? Going to twitter right now to see

     Christi | Jun 3, 2009 | Reply

104. She’s got your number Susan/Karen/Mitzi. You might as well give up.

     Kim | Jun 3, 2009 | Reply

105. O Milehimama, I have 30 children and I feed them for $20 a week using your methods! We eat free samples at Costco for most meals! For education I let my kids run around the neighborhood looking for cans to recycle for food money! Haha this method makes them resourceful! O Milehimama thanks for your super awesome blog which I read at the library because I don’t believe in the Internet! Except if the taxpayers pay for it haha! I read nothing but The Bible and your blog which I think are about equal haha! GO BLUE!

     Seriously, Mitzi, if you’re going to do parody, do it right fer crying out loud.

     ginkgo100 | Jun 3, 2009 | Reply

106. Yeah I guess you’re right about NT Milehi. I have wondered though, if people reading NT are sometimes tempted to remember the parts that sound good to them and skip the rest. The simple truth is that most Americans have a skewed relationship with meat to begin with.

     BTW I have 5 children with one newly on the way and we eat for between $400-500 per month (Aussie dollars). We eat better most of the time than many people I know who spend much more. So whats-her-name can *bite me*.

     Deborah | Jun 3, 2009 | Reply

107. K/S/LL/CS/M:
     Even if the writing styles are different, I regret to inform you that I will not be publishing comments posted from that IP. Even if you leave an email and a URL, and even if they are not critical. I do apologize if this leaves other members on your network/in your home unable to comment on my blog.

     Milehimama | Jun 3, 2009 | Reply

108. So whats-her-name can *bite me*

     Does that fall under the proper amount of animal protein?

     Ginger | Jun 3, 2009 | Reply

109. Btw, here is Australia, weighing pregnant woman is not routine. I have had 3 babies during the past 5 years and have never been weighed. Thank goodness!!
     How about you, Deborah? (I saw the Aussie dollars comment, so Im assuming your from Aus )

     Eva | Jun 4, 2009 | Reply

110. Oh NO! You’re, not your! Terrible mistake. Don’t worry, I don’t homeschool.

     Eva | Jun 4, 2009 | Reply

111. Hey wife, I just wanted to say I Love you and I Don’t care what anyone else thinks, I think your doing a great job. I know because I’m there, I see it on a daily basis. Snoochie Boochies!

     Love Tom

     BigDaddy T. | Jun 4, 2009 | Reply

112. Well Eva, sometimes they do weigh me and sometimes they don’t. IMO there are much more important things check on than weight gain. Silly Americans.

     Deborah | Jun 4, 2009 | Reply

113. You know, I have a story semi-relevant to this thread. I once brought tabouleh I had made to work for my lunch. If you aren’t familiar with it, tabouleh is a salad made from soaked bulgur wheat, parsley, lemon juice, olive oil, cucumbers, onions, and tomatoes. My coworkers seemed shocked that I was eating it and said, “I didn’t know you were a vegetarian!” Uh, no, I eat meat, I just like tabouleh. Why do people make assumptions?

     This is the same workplace where I was judged a hypocrite for eating French fries—because I had once made a comment that sugary soda “will kill you.” It’s an offhand remark I often make: “That stuff’ll kill you.” And I believe that it will, if you drink too much of it. My coworkers assumed I was therefore a hardcore health food nut, and since I ate French fries (that one of them GAVE me!), I was a horrible hypocrite. (If only they knew I have also been known to eat DONUTS!)

     It was actually a pretty dysfunctional workplace in every imaginable way. Still, it was eye-opening about how people not only view food, but how they view other people’s relationships with food. We often assume others are extremists, when really some of us (like MHM and me) just understand the value of moderation in all things.

     ginkgo100 | Jun 4, 2009 | Reply

114. I received an email clarifying that “Go Blue” refers to the University of Michigan, and refers to their famous fight song for the Wolverines.

     Milehimama | Jun 4, 2009 | Reply

115. I think Americans EXPECT to be weighed at the doctor. My children and I have always been weighed at every single appt. – even when we went in for urgent care (stepping on nail, falling face first on a table, etc.)

     I think it DOES have to do with insurance guidelines. I’ll ask my doc when I go in tomorrow.

     Milehimama | Jun 4, 2009 | Reply

116. Hmm. I’ll be rooting for Ohio State, then.

     ginkgo100 | Jun 4, 2009 | Reply

117. Aha. I see. I must say, it is a strangely American phenomenon. I have been weighed only occasionally and always for a specific reason (eg. for medication dosage). I’m interested to see what your doctor says MHM.

     Deborah | Jun 4, 2009 | Reply

118. Wow. So much drama and intensity lately MHM! And the baby isn’t even born yet! I don’t want to say much here, but there was one issue that no one else commented on:

     A few days and a few dozen comments ago, Susan/Karen-woman mentioned (and I paraphrase-you can scroll up) that certain areas of the world have the U.S government and other agencies donate food to them. Well, families on food stamps receive what the U.S. government deems “adequate” for its own citizens. Imagine what living on food stamps is like- there is no room for going over-budget, and families are often limited to what food they are allowed to purchase. For instance, organic food isn’t typically covered, nor do most “health grocers” accept them.
     In addition, families on food stamps typically don’t have access to the internet in their home and often are limited to public transportation. Not all grocery store are on the routes, complicating shopping trips further.
     I shop at three different stores for my three children, who happen to eat hot dogs once a week, and I find it exhausting trying to stay on budget, driving around town for the best deals. I commend MHM for all the thought she puts into her menu planning, and in addition, puts it out there so others can get ideas, recipes and inspiration from her work.
     Bless you, MHM!

     Oh and I agree with Tom-I’m not a big fan of lentils myself, but I love beans and Quinoa!

     Mary Alice | Jun 6, 2009 | Reply

119. Actually, there are very few restrictions on food stamp purchases. Food stamps can be used to buy food and non-alcoholic beverages, and seeds for plants that bear edible foods. Food stamps can be used to buy organic foods, convenience foods, soda, etc.

     Mrs. Evans | Jun 8, 2009 | Reply

120. I think Mary Alice was pointing out that places like Whole Foods Market don’t usually take food stamps.

     I heard about an awesome project (in CA I think?) that master gardeners are teamed up with FS recipients/welfare recipients to plant a vegetable garden together, in their little yard or on their stoop or in containers. Awesome!
     I’ll have to try to find the link.

     Milehimama | Jun 8, 2009 | Reply

121. Whole Foods stores DO accept food stamps, though. So does Trader Joe’s now.

     Mrs. Evans | Jun 10, 2009 | Reply

122. I’m afraid I just couldn’t stay out of this mess, lol. I’m a homeschooling mom of 7 boys, and we eat a semi-vegetarian diet. By that I mean we eat some chicken, turkey, and fish, as well as dairy. I have no idea how much protein we actually consume each week, I don’t track it. I agree with you completely that Americans eat way more protein than they need, and that actually stresses their bodies. Kudos to you for actually researching the guidelines and understanding what they actually say, rather than listen to the commercials put out by the meat industry.

     My boys have regular check-ups and are declared healthy by the doctor. We rarely have any illness here beyond a common cold. I have to fill a prescription generally once or twice a year, and not for the same person. My grocery budget was $120/week, including hygiene, paper goods, cleaning supplies, and stamps. I will admit it is closing in on $150 because the prices at the stores just keep climbing. I also admit that I could easily bring it back down if I didn’t buy so many extras. We have a movie night every Saturday night at home, and I like to have special snacks for the kids. Some weeks are better snacks than others, lol. I am going to go through your site and see what kinds of recipes you have for more vegetables and beans/lentils/rice.

     Whenever the argument is brought up that the way I raise my children is inadequate because the rest of the country doesn’t do it that way, I am secretly glad. I don’t think the rest of the country is doing it right, or even well. Has anyone noticed the economy lately? We over-consume. If you have a decent house that is warm and doesn’t leak when it rains, if you have food for every meal, if you have health care available when you need it, then you are ahead of the game. WHY would we *need* more than that? Stuff just brings you down, and credit buries you. That is a major message I am hoping to impart to my children at home; and one I believe is just the opposite of what they learn at school.

     You sound like a great mom, milehimamma, and I am happy to hear about your soon-to-be baby, congratulations! If I am lucky, maybe I will be blessed with a #8 too.

     By the way, we have hot dogs for dinner about every 2 weeks, and eat about 2 packs at that meal. That is 2 packs of 8 hot dogs. How in the world can 4 packs of 8 hot dogs make 4 meals for a family of 9??? And we eat the chicken hot dogs, though ingredient-wise I’m sure the additives are not much better.

     Gretchen | Jun 11, 2009 | Reply

123. I love your post quality. Adults are just kids who owe money

     Gregory Bridging | Feb 22, 2010 | Reply

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